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really interesting, kai. thanks for writing this :) i was wondering if there's generally a misalignment in understanding when online dating really...works. in my opinion, the most successful use cases have been for gay people, or people in kink/non-monogamous spaces (i.e. where it's difficult to find like-minded people in the mainstream).

i don't think contemporary online dating (with the swipe patent, and the elo ratings, or the gale-shapely algo) has been particularly successful - but that's also because these innovations have coincided with massive consolidation of the dating app industry under the match group monopoly.

i think of okc when it first came out, how you could look at all the singles and then just send the ones you're interested in a message. and how grindr works in a similar-ish way. i do think more efficient algorithms existed in the past - but that was before the apps got so obsessed with "compatibility".

me, personally, i think there was a very short period of time in the 2010s to early 2020s where online dating was very novel and a fun way to meet new people in heterosexual spaces, but it has passed its saturation point (and enshittified itself, like you said). now i think most of the value and innovation is happening where these communities first originated - in gay and kink spaces.

one indicator of this - out of all the bigger players in the dating app industry - only grindr stock has maintained long term profitability. match group (tinder, hinge, okc) and bumble inc. have fallen rather drastically over the past 5 years. so to me, firstdate is adopting a model that the free market has already rejected...

i have a lot of other thoughts (like how SDU and dating services are not spiritually accurate predecessors of online dating, and i think that's part of the problem on how the government is viewing this project) - but might write about all of that on my own because this is getting a bit too long now.

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Very disappointed there was no sugar mommy option in the questionnaire.

**in all seriousness though, thanks for the fascinating deep dive. However, I'm doubtful that proliferating third spaces will lead to more action in small spaces. The financial cost of socialising isn't nearly steep as the emotional or energy cost, especially when you've spent a lifetime interfacing with frictionless platforms. Clarke Quay bridge was the ideal third space born of zero government intervention and an abundance of horny desperation, but I'd wager that it would struggle to compete in the present day, if revived.

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